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By Yeganeh Torbati and Lisa Lambert
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, under intense questioning from Democratic senators, said on Tuesday she did not hear President Donald Trump use a vulgarity to describe African countries during an impassioned White House meeting last week.
Nielsen’s testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee echoed statements she has made since the meeting on Thursday with Trump and Republican and Democratic legislators, which roiled the debate on an immigration law deal and generated accusations of racism toward Trump.
Democratic Senator Dick Durbin, who attended the meeting, has said Trump used the word “shithole” to describe African countries but Nielsen, also who participated in the meeting, said she did not hear that.
Trump has said Durbin misrepresented his comments. Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, who also was at the meeting, issued a statement last week that did not dispute news accounts that Trump used the vulgarity to describe African countries. During the hearing Graham did not ask Nielsen about Trump’s comments, but described Durbin as a “decent, honest man.”
Nielsen said she did not remember Trump categorizing African countries in a specific way.
“The conversation was very impassioned. I don’t dispute that the president was using tough language,” Nielsen said, adding that several people in the room were using profanity.
Senator Cory Booker, one of multiple Democratic senators who asked Nielsen about her recollection of the meeting, said the comments attributed to Trump were “profoundly disturbing to me.”
“When the commander in chief speaks or refuses to speak, those words don’t just dissipate like mist in the air,” he said. “They fester, they become poison.”
Nielsen’s “amnesia” and “silence” about Trump’s comments make her complicit, Booker said.
The comments have complicated the debate over an immigration deal to protect immigrants who were brought to the country illegally as children, and also have overshadowed larger spending negotiations ahead of a possible federal government shutdown this week.
When asked about Trump’s reported statements about preferring immigrants from Norway, Nielsen said Trump was using Norway as an example of a country whose citizens work hard.
Nielsen also was asked about the administration’s decision to rescind Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, the Obama-era policy to protect from deportation immigrants brought to the United States illegally as children. Trump ended the program in September, giving Congress six months to find a permanent solution.
Nielsen said she did not believe Trump would have the authority to extend the March 5 deadline for the ending of the program. On Saturday, the Department of Homeland Security said it would resume accepting DACA renewals, after a federal judge blocked Trump’s decision to end the program.
Nielsen also testified about a DHS study on the link between immigration and terrorism. The report, issued on Tuesday, said about 73 percent of the 549 individuals convicted of “international terrorism-related” charges in U.S. federal courts between Sept. 11, 2001, and Dec. 31, 2016, were born outside the United States.
In a briefing call with reporters, a senior administration official pointed to the report as evidence that the United States needs to reform its immigration system, including to eliminate the diversity visa lottery and extended family-based immigration, in favor of high-skilled immigrants.
But the official said the administration was not ready to release statistical information on the manner of entry of the individuals convicted.
Reporting by Susan Heavey and Yeganeh Torbati; Editing by Bill Trott